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Post by Matt on May 25, 2005 2:46:03 GMT -5
This should be a friendly discussion about what each of us believes concerning the Rapture. We are all followers of Christ and should remember this if things start getting heated when people disagree.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 20, 2005 23:17:59 GMT -5
I believe the rapture will occur at or about the same time the rise of the antichrist happens. I also believe that the antichrist will be a very respected religious figure who will try to give credit to the "aliens" (I prefer to call them demons) for our creation. I think this is what the bible means by the "great deception". It will also be an attempt to explain the strange disappearance of people all over the world. I believe at that time it will mark the beginning of either the 7 year or 3.5 year period. I'm not sure when exactly the antichrist will completely rise into power. I think the reign of the the antichrist will be filled with the worst natural disasters ever recorded by man. I also believe that I can see these things all starting to take place and think this could be the last generation before rapture. Be ready just incase God only raptures once. Wouldn't that suck to assume you'll just make sure you're ready second rapture and It never came. I believe their will be one but wouldn't that suck!
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Post by Ryan on Jul 26, 2005 0:14:59 GMT -5
Good Point, but I know the aliens (demons) will play some type of role in the end times deception. Do you think it's possible that the antichrist could be an alien? Daniel 11 describes the antichrist and it seems like a possibility. What don't you agree about the second rapture?
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Post by Jim on Jul 26, 2005 13:48:51 GMT -5
Aliens DONT exist. Give me one piece of ACTUAL evidence that aliens exist. not just some farm hand in New Mexico who saw lights in the sky.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 26, 2005 23:56:08 GMT -5
I guess I can't give you any evidence. I am only posting what I believe will happen upon the end of the age.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 27, 2005 23:39:16 GMT -5
Yes, I only used the term "aliens" so everyone knows what/who I'm talking about. I don't believe in aliens myself, I mean people from other planets visiting ours. I think that the fallen angels has spent along time setting up the plot for the NWO. If the aliens/demons made their first public appearance tomorrow do you the the world would accept them as visitors from another planet?
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Post by Matt on Jul 28, 2005 23:30:03 GMT -5
I am not sure how I think this will all go down, but I have read Revelation and I do know what the Bible says.
I believe that there will be a pre-trib rapture and that it will occur right before the anti-christ makes his appearance. I think that the anti-christ will use the chaos that will come about from the disappearance of millions and offer an explanation and world peace to all.
I believe in the pre-trib rapture because in Revelation the focus moves from the church back onto the Jews. It also talks about the two witnesses converting the 144,000 Jews and I believe that if the church was still here that we would be able to preach to the masses during the tribulation.
I also believe in the literal 1000 reign of Christ in which satan is bound and unable to influence the people.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 9, 2005 5:04:23 GMT -5
Has anyone been paying much attention to R.F.I.D. microchip technology? Suposibly, by the end of the year all new credit cards will have one in them as opposed to a magnetic strip. Also last October the F.D.A. approved the implantation of R.F.I.D. chips in humans for the purpose of storing medical information. A couple weeks ago I read an article that sayed Visa of America just finished all the final preperations for the new system. For the most part we already live in a currencyless society. Take for example, you can deposit your pay check into your bank account and then spend it using your debit card. The value of the dollar keeps declining, God forbid but, if the dollar were to collapse do you think our new currency would be paper or electronic? Last year China and Japan each bought 1 trillion dollars of American debt. Why? The answer is simple, their currency's value depends on the dollar. If the dollar were to collapse today, the shock to the worlds economy would be catostrophic.
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Post by James on Aug 10, 2005 20:58:08 GMT -5
I think the RFID chip could be used for the mark of the beast, but I don't think that the dollar would necessarily collapse. If a new world government would decide that we were using X as our currency then we are using X as our currency regardless of how many people fight it. If the government tells us tomorrow that we have to allow soldiers to live in our house then we are going to have to allow them to. This isn't like the revolutionary times when the Gov had the same guns as the people (and may not have been able to use them as well.) Now the Gov had tanks and missiles and I don't care what your arsenal is in your house if they want in they are coming in!
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Post by Ryan on Aug 11, 2005 0:10:20 GMT -5
You are right, the dollar wouldn't necessarily have to collapse, it's just a hypothosis. The bible states that we will be forced to take the mark. I believe that most people will take the mark volontarily. I know when you ask anyone (even non-believers), they say they would never take the mark. For most this isn't true but I'm sure some non-believers would still fight to the death just because they were being forced. Now look at it from my point of view for a second. First of all, how dependent on money are you? Think of people in a large city for example. Most of them would be screwed if the dollar would collapse. How many of them do you think know how to live off the land? If the choice came when you had to choose from starving to death or eating which would you choose. This goes alot further that that. How many people actually own a paid off home? Do you like your car? How would you buy gas or maintain it? I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. The only people that would refuse taking the mark would be true believers. I believe I will be taken by God before this happens but I am still going to prepare myself just incase. My new years resolution was to become closer to God and become less relient on the dollar. So far this year I have learned how to properly catch and clean fish. I have learned that in a worst case scenario (from the bible) that crickets, locusts, and grasshoppers are edible. And this fall I am going to learn how to hunt and butcher a deer. Like you said, if the gov. said we are using X currency than we are using X currency, but I just think the only way for a smooth transition would be a global economic collapse.
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2005 2:51:26 GMT -5
I believe that either scenerio is possible. I think that we may see the economy collapse or the government force the new government on us. I personally think that after the anti-christ begins coming to power there will be a global war that will leave all governments in shambles and the anti-christ will be there to pick up the pieces and give a solution to end all wars and the people that just went through that war will be happy to follow anyone with a plan for peace (especially when it appears that that plan is working)
I think the first thing that the anti-christ will do is set (temporary) peace in the middle east and that governments will start turning to him because he accomplished what nobody else could and eventually he will be given full control. I know that it is very likely that the economy will collapse during or after that war as well so that the transition through-out the world to electronic currency will work too. Think about it though it will be so much easier to set-up an electronic currency then it will be to set-up any paper/coin currency that we use now.
I don't believe the actual mark will come till the midway point of the tribulation after the anti-christ suffers a fatal wound to the head and "rises" from the grave. Then he will claim to be God and people will worship his statue when receiving the mark. That is why I beleive that it condemns you because you are pledging allegance to the anti-christ and worshipping him as God to receive it.
I really don't believe that I will be here during this period, but if I am wrong I know that no matter what I will never take the mark!
God bless you all!
Matt
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Post by James on Aug 11, 2005 7:45:48 GMT -5
Ryan,
I agree with you on many points, but your post this time around was kind of confusing so I thought maybe you could clarify what you meant by 'cabbage', 'Clackmannanshire' and 'Lilians'. If you would claify these terms then I wold be better able to respond to your post.
Matt,
I agree with what you are saying but don't know why you would call a war a "big ass brawl". I hope this isn't a message board that is going to be full of slang and swearing!
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Post by James on Aug 11, 2005 7:49:03 GMT -5
Wait why does my above post say some words I never typed? What is up with this board? Do you guys like making fun of people and making them think they've gone crazy?
I don't think I am going to post here anymore!
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