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Post by Guest 1 on Jul 27, 2005 22:02:38 GMT -5
I am tired of seeing all the people that have probably never even read a single page in the books, listening to all the hype from other people that have never read a page in the books calling the books bad. It is the most ignorant thing I have ever seen!!
I am a Christian and I have read all six of the books and there is NOTHING in any of those books the promotes witchcraft or anything of the sort. These are FANTASY books that have nothing to do with the Wiccan religion and in fact don't portray any of the beliefs they have.
The wizard of OZ has witches and wizards, lord of the rings, fairly odd parents, all the shows with talking animals, all the books out there that have to do with fantasy subjects are all in the same boat as HP and if you are going to condemn it and then let your children watch any of the above shows or read any book that doesn't fit in with reality then you are a hypocrite!!
Read the books before you pass judgment. All of the people I hear complaining say things about the book that make it obvious that they have never read them. They talk about the books saying things they don't and it's all so ridiculous that it makes me ashamed of some people.
Anyways that being said I thought the sixth book was really lacking toward the end of the book. It built up very nicely in the beginning, but by the end I was disappointed with how DD died and how weak Harry was in dueling Snape.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 28, 2005 1:03:15 GMT -5
I haven't read any Harry Potter books and I will not speak positively about them. Also I am not a hypocrite, I do not like fantasy books because for some reason alot of people get so obsessed with them, it becomes all they think about. You seem mature enough not to get to wrapped up in them but go talk to some 9 or 10 year olds that read them and you'll see what I'm talking about. Like you said they don't come right out and promote satanism or wicca but rather use subtile hints that make kids more interested in mystical religions. Please don't attack me because I haven't read them but I don't read dungeons and dragons books for the same reason. I believe it is satan's way of conditioning the young mind. You shouldn't attemt to raise a Chritian family mixing sorcery and God. I would like to quote 1 Timothy 4:1-2............ Now the Spirit speaketh exprssly, that in the latter times, some shall depart from faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
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Post by LaShanna Brakenburt on Jul 28, 2005 12:19:55 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has taken criminal justice classes on the occult and wicca I feel the need to respond. I have read all of the Harry Potter books and watched the movies. There is NOTHING in the books that promotes wicca or satanism. I am a Christian. I have spoken to children about these books and none are running to the "dark side". How can you possibly form an opinion about something you know nothing about. It would be like me trying to form a diagnoisis on a sick person; I dont know medicine so I leave that for those who do. Until you read the books dont make an opinion. Do you let your children watch Disney movies? There are sooo many hidden messsages on there its not even funny. but I assume they watch them. My point is that until you read the book, keep your opinion to yourself. You cant make a vaild arguement not having read the books.
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Post by Guest 1 on Jul 28, 2005 19:53:36 GMT -5
Ryan,
I am sorry but I don't think you have any clue about what is and what isn't in the Harry Potter books...
Please list some of the subtle hints that you are talking about from the books please. You seem to know that these hints are there so please list some of them...(and since they aren't going to be your own please list your source)
You're whole idea that people shouldn't mix God and sorcery is correct, but these aren't books that teach kids sorcery. These books don't mix the two. These are just books and are in no way representative of anything but a fantasy world that doesn't exist outside the books. They don't promote anything remotely related to be beliefs of wicca or satanism.
The only people I see that aren't able to separate fantasy from reality is people like you. Focus on the family along with plenty of other religious foundations declared the books to have nothing to do with satanism. In fact if you look at the message in the books and you will see that it talks about love being more powerful than hate and love being able to destroy evil. Those two principles are totally unrelated to anything occult.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 28, 2005 22:10:36 GMT -5
"I want to go to wizard school and learn magic. I'd like to learn to use a wand to cast spells." Dylan, age 10. "If I could go to wizard school, I might be able to do spells and potions and fly a broomstick." Mara, age 12.
"It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers." Jeffrey, age 11.
"I'd like to go to wizard school and learn magic and put spells on people. I'd make up an ugly spell and then it's pay-back time." Catherine, age 9.
"I feel like I'm inside Harry's world. If I went to wizard school I'd study everything: spells, counterspells, and defense against the dark arts." Carolyn, age 10.
"I liked it when the bad guys killed the unicorn and Voldemort drank its blood." Julie, age 13.
"The books are very clever. I couldn't put them down. When I was scared I made myself believe that it was supposed to be funny so I wasn't so scared." Nuray age 11. These are just a few quotes from some Harry Potter readers from the documentery "Harry Potter: Witchcraft repacaged, Making evil look innocent. I'm not just taking their word for it, I witnessed my own young nephew running around pretending to be in his own little Harry Potter world. You are right about passing judgement, Sorry, But I still won't promote them. I just feel we could be getting our young ones off to the wrong start.
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Post by Dave on Jul 28, 2005 23:02:45 GMT -5
Ryan I can understand what you are trying to say, but to list a bunch of quotes in which the authenticity cannot be determined doesn't prove your point.
I can list a bunch of quotes that say, "I have read the Harry Potter books and I think they are great stories, but I know they aren't real" Timmy age 9, but that doesn't make them true quotes.
I think that you are getting your information about these books from a bad source to tell you truth. I am sure that you can find connections or similarities in almost anything to the occult, but the symbols and stuff that they use only mean something if you believe they do or if they are meant to.
Christians should never fear symbols because they mean absolutely nothing unless we give them meaning.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 28, 2005 23:53:09 GMT -5
I guess you're right about the quotes, please disregard them.
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Post by Guest 1 on Jul 29, 2005 1:14:22 GMT -5
Ryan,
Even if your quotes are accurate I fail to see how they prove your point. Children have emaginations and they use them much more frequently than adults do. A child playing or acting out something they saw is in no way implying that they are going to want to do this stuff when they are adults.
You read too much into things and that's why these books are for children and adults that haven't lost their imaginations. Children read these books and don't see what you try and see, they just enjoy themselves.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 29, 2005 1:43:08 GMT -5
O.K., Here I go, please forgive me. I have not read them, like I said, so everything I know about them, I have stumbled across while surfing the web. Please look at it from my point of view for a second, and you'll see why. It seems that every time I come across something about those books on the web, they are saying something bad about them. Until now, I haven't stumbled upon a Christian saying anything positive about them. The last thing I want is to get into a heated debate about books I haven't read. If you will, please take the time and go to one of the web sites I came across a couple weeks ago with a section specifically about Harry Potter. The site is www.cuttingedge.org just click on the Harry Potter icon on the left side of your screen.
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Post by Guest 1 on Jul 29, 2005 2:19:30 GMT -5
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/recommend.htmlHere is a link for you to check out, Ryan. I have read some of the book reviews on the cutting edge and I have to tell you that some of the stuff they are saying they are pulling out of no where and really doesn't fit with the quote the attribute it to. They are also wrong with many of the facts they present about the book (IE: plot lines, character names, which book characters appear, etc.) I honestly don't believe they have read the books either after reading their reviews.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 29, 2005 2:56:08 GMT -5
Well, thats the point of message boards. I definitally look at the whole Harry Potter thing differently now. It's the parents job to keep a child on the right track. We can't shield our children from society or they will be even more vonerable when they get older. As long as the child doesn't think sorcery is good and can differentiate reality from fantasy, what's the harm.
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Post by LaShanna on Jul 29, 2005 7:58:07 GMT -5
Yea Ryan!!! ;D
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Post by rarf on Sept 18, 2007 18:35:23 GMT -5
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